Musings and bookmarks about Stonehenge and related stuff.
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Great last picture - the most perfect alignment!Sadly at the time of Stonehenge's construction the alignment wouldn't be as today as the sun would have set between half to a whole degree to the left of picture (depending on which date you think the monument was constructed).
To the right, further north, for the summer solstice sunset. To the left for the summer sunrise. and vice versa for the winter.
Well that would make more sense as the alignment would probably be between the two trilithons 53/54 and 57/58.RJL
Notice that Station Stone-93 also shows up along that sightline. The skewing of the sun slightly to the right is clearly evident, and would be even more so if there were no trees on the horizon.
The pic with the sun above the trees shows that it would set even further north , as seen from the eastermost edge of S 56 and therefore missing the station stone by an even greater extent . Fwiw I estimate the alignment from the eastermost edge of S 56 edge to the SSSS (i.e. the horizon minus the trees )to pass over the northernnmost edge of AH 39 ,with no suggestion of any intention re. the AH ."as the alignment would probably be between the two trilithons 53/54 and 57/58. " What are you talking about ? What alignment ? The "alignment " between the two is nowhere near the SSSS orientation , and even if it were feasible S 22 gets in the way .It's even worse than "the sun would have set between half to a whole degree to the left of picture " .
Sherlock - long time no hear!!I wish I had the time to look up these bizarre alignments - so you could be right or you could be wrong? Were you are wrong (surprise, surprise!) is that the 'razor' alignment through 53/4 and 57/8 goes just to the south of 22 and north of 10 - 'as if it was planned'.Now go off and get me some prehistoric dates for the Sunrise or Sunset these a good boy (I'll even give you a short accreditation in the future third edition of 'The Stonehenge Enigma') as I'm busy editing my next best seller to be launched in October.RJL
Daisy ,I have decided to act like everyone else and mostly ignore your nonsense and cheap skate efforts to promote your fantasies but sometimes the errors are need pointing out .You ignored "What alignment " i.e. what doyou imagine it is aligned to ?The thread is about alignments on the sun , your imaginary "alignment" points to a part of the horizon where the sun doesn't even appear . Go off and spend some time learning about the difference between right and left and then north and south .Best Seller ?? I can hear the laughs from here .
Sherlock - failed again, no acknowledgement for you!!As it was a lunar temple is probably something to do with the moon rather than the sun. As for 'everyone else' - I noticed my views reached 1.4 million today, must be why I sell over three and a half thousand books a year? The laughs you hear Sherlock are mine...RJL
"As it was a lunar temple is probably something to do with the moon rather than the sun." . We'll pass on the "Lunar temple " . "Probably something " ? A little less "razor" there . You don't even know , do you ? . Along with "that would make more sense as the alignment would probably be between the two trilithons 53/54 and 57/58. " That is your "explanation " on a thread about solstice alignments , you are as lost and wrong as ever . You don't seem to know what a " best seller " is either . Ever heard of unconscious humour ? Advertise in " Viz " that's the proper market place for that stuff ."Plan 9 from outer space "/ Edward D. Wood still sells . There is hope yet .
According to GE the angle through 53/54 and 57/58 is 140.43 azmth. (i'm sure that Tim can verify if there is a gap?) If so, according to Hawkins (table 2 Stonehenge Decoded) Midsummer Moonrise is 139.4 azmth. Taking the changes in obliquity of the ecliptic, this would make sense if it is a lunar temple, as I suspect.I'm disappointed Sherlock - I would imagine with your self-righteous knowledge, I thought you would know those facts. Now get that only slide-rule out and give us some dates, make yourself useful.RJL
You are hopelessly lost ,again .You didn't learn the difference ,as suggested ,between left and right and north and south did you ?The thread is about the SSSS , that is a solar alignment to the north west ,not a lunar alignment to the south east .Another problem look at what Hawkins is talking about , it is the Midsummer Moonrise (dec -29) do you know what that means in relation to archaeoastronomy ?Do you think that is a considered particularly relevant in astronomy ? When you have got right left ,north south and sun moon differences sorted , check on the lunar alignments and look at what they indicate , note they are to standstills not annual moonrises and moonsets ,as in this case . You appear to have discovered the big word that you couldn’t understand and got all confused about . Yes it’s obliquity not precession ,how many years has that taken?We can finally put a stop to “ how many times do you have to be told it’s not precession “If you had asked I would have told you what to do and given an estimate , in decades ,for how long it should take you to work out .Putative alignments to annual moonrises and moonsets don’t a temple make .
"Yes it’s obliquity not precession ,how many years has that taken?"I've never said that!The variation in the obliquity of the ecliptic is caused by precession, in my humble view - if I'm wrong give us a citation to tell us what causes the variation??
"Yes it’s obliquity not precession ,how many years has that taken?"Of course you never said that , I did , obviously .One of your quotes “ precession moves the midsummer sunset by 1 whole degree over 4000 years “There was even " Precession causes axial precession "Two old gems .Cite anything that is not loony or vanity published that suggests "Obliquity of the ecliptic is caused by precession"You just made that up with no understanding of either precession or obliquity , like a host of other fantasies .A wee tip , think of one of the cardinal points , go back to your trilithons but forget about the moon and raise your eyes ,it's what you have been looking for ,but it's still old hat and incredibly conjectural , but not quite as loony as what we usually get .
So no citation - so you're guessing? What is that guessing based upon?A wee tip Sherlock, do the maths, precession has a cycle - the variation of the obliquity has a cycle - is there a MATHEMATICALLY CONNECTION?And before you apply your schoolboy maths to the question - we are taking association not similarity!!
Cite anything that is not loony or vanity published that suggests"Obliquity of the ecliptic is caused by precession"I can't find a citation that shows fairies from Venus did not cause obliquity .You were shown the maths for the cycles years ago , you didn't understand it then and are still lost . "precession has a cycle - the variation of the obliquity has a cycle - is there a MATHEMATICALLY CONNECTION? "That's another for the scrapbook . " a mathematically connection? " Two cycles wooo , they must be connected .Only in your feverish attempts to cover up your original error .
“precession has a cycle - the variation of the obliquity has a cycle - is there a MATHEMATICALLY CONNECTION? “It’s better than a haiku , how is it possible to squeeze so much nonsense into so few syllables .Even the use of caps , so consistent in highlighting the most nonsensical bits , it does suggest that it’s all a spoof , sadly for you it’s not , but for us it just makes it even funnier .Thanks again .
Go lay down Sherlock - I'll send for the nurse!
It's the repsonses with an attempt at content that contain the humour .Old chestnuts in the actual attempts at humour just don't cut it .
The other interesting aspect about your narcissistic tenancies Sherlock is that you always have to have the last word (I'm sure your wife has told you this - or does she not let you get the last word?)"It is particularly important to get the last word where you are in some doubts as to the merits of your case. The last word will serve as a clinching argument that will make up for any deficiencies in your logic." WikiWhat more can I say..... bet you have to reply!!! LOL.
I have taken the advice that I shouldn't provide your nonsense with oxygen .Make an error and I may point it out ,or congratulate another of the frequent gems of unconscious humour .Feel free to have the last word ,then listen to the yawning silence .Back to the byre Daisy . The door will be closed and the mooing ignored .